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25 January 2008 @ 08:02 pm
Ranted elsewhere, and felt I had to share: why the current Marvel setup is boring  
Nu-Marvel strikes me an impossibly monotonous setup; in particular, they've made Spider-man really pointless. Given that it's been established that they can crank out infinite numbers of heroes vastly more powerful than him, and given that they've established (even in his own book) that they are much more effective at lowering the crime rate than he's ever been, why on earth would he go patrolling? Sure, if a criminal happens to do something in front of you, don't ignore it a la Ben, but why go looking for trouble? The population has made it very noisily clear at 90 percent rates that they don't want you to, and you are just likely to get someone hurt trying to arrest you.

If they had actually used the likely real afteraffects the anti-reg heroes might be interesting, but it's an editorially declared neocon fantasyland. Somehow not a single superpowered person choose civil disobedience, refusing to register but also not to fight; there's not a single hero in 42. There's not a single terrified parent afraid their child will be taken from them and trained to be an assassin; no one needs rescuing. The kids in the Initiative aren't frightened and angry, merely mildly sullen and swiftly enough all smiles after going to combat, and happy to commit themselves to a life of superheroing. Except for the ones that are psycho or greedheads, and that's not much to cheer for. Everyone *likes* Big Brother in nu-Marvel.

The lone exception of any sort is Thunderbirds, and that exists so that Tony can heroically confront them, and show he's the good slavemaster, and you should all worship him for saving them from the bad slavemaster.

So you have your choice of totally pointless and ineffective antireg teams (cause yeah, the New Warriors graffitting Stark Tower is *so* heroic, even if they weren't just manipulated puppets of people behind the scenes) or various flavors of government minion.
Shooting You with My Smilebox_in_the_box on January 26th, 2008 04:20 am (UTC)
I'll be reposting these thoughts (duly attributed to you) on my own LJ and forum.
Lauratavella on January 26th, 2008 04:25 am (UTC)
Feel free! I figured I should post some of my random cranky commentary on rpg.net to my actual LJ.
rfrancis on January 26th, 2008 04:39 am (UTC)
Hmm. I'm not really following to any great amount, but what about New Avengers, which seemed at least intended to address this?
Lauratavella on January 27th, 2008 03:24 am (UTC)
The New Avengers did get to do one decent thing, rescuing an old teammate that was trapped undercover in Japan. And even there, they had difficulty dealing with plain old ninjas. Since then they've had one member defect because she knew that Stark would be more effective in dealing with skrulls, have another defection coming up, and were only able to defeat a D-lister like the Hood because Dr. Strange was there.

They've looked as pointless as Spider-Man; again, because everyone else loves their new system there's no one to rescue from the SHRA or anything else that would make them uniquely useful. And it's been established that crime rates are incredibly low because the SHRA/Initiative system is so much more effective.
mikkeneko on January 26th, 2008 09:16 am (UTC)
Wow, uh, I'm not following contemporary comics, but that sounds incredibly unpleasant to read. O_o
Lauratavella on January 26th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
Yes. Yes it is.
Kirke: WTF?kirke_novak on January 26th, 2008 11:08 am (UTC)
That is all so true. I've stopped following Marvel, with a sole exception of Cable and Deadpool. I'm not interested in this whole Brand New Bullshit. It's boring, it's annoying, it's frustrating and, above all, it's not about superheroes anymore - it's about making a political statement, though I'm still not sure what statement it is; civil liberties are boo? Majority is always right?
Lauratavella on January 27th, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC)
Frustrating sums it up. One of the reasons I like superhero comics is that justice is generally delivered. Not perfectly, not always, and often with pain along the way, but people receive their deserved consequences. And now it's a universe where people did awful evil shit and not only do they not receive consequences (and no, angsting about how terribly painful it is to be such a great man and have to do the hard things is NOT CONSEQUENCES), we are supposed to worship them for the awful evil shit they did.
Elspethelspethdixon on January 26th, 2008 01:27 pm (UTC)
Well, there's still Marvel Adventures.

Interestingly, in the Iron Man title, Registration, the Initiative, and the SHRA are being portrayed as sincerely sketchy things, with corruption rampant, "inconvenient" superhumans being "disappeared" or murdered, the federal government testing the Extremis virus on human subjects in an attempt to create their own superhumans (without Tony's knowledge and behind his back), and the Secretary of Defense secretly working with the Mandarin.
dewline on January 26th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
And Tony's role with SHIELD at the UN rendering him "politically unreliable" despite being an architect of the Initiative...
bethany_cabebethany_cabe on February 12th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
I agree with you entirely. The New Avengers keep striking me as unerringly pointless and unbelieveably depressing, since all they do is sit around and mope about how rubbish their lives are owing to the SHRA and Skrulls while hiding in Dad's basement (i.e. Strange's Batchellor Pad of Fun). But, even when you see the much happier pro-reg heroes, every time you try to reconcile yourself with the whole 1984 hate-fest it's forced down your throat how evil and corrupt everything about it is. I'm not quite sure what Marvel are actually getting at with the whole thing.

I just want to enjoy comics again. Is that so much to ask?

mr_cyn1calmr_cyn1cal on March 18th, 2008 11:29 pm (UTC)
for a diseenting opinion