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03 February 2009 @ 11:07 pm
Update. Stunned update.  
Okay, that took my breath away. igorsanchez just posted to tnh's livejournal. He hadn't been banned.

Let us review. She deleted everything spiralsheep said, down to and including her one word "Okay" answer. She deleted and banned me for this:

 Patrick said stupid shit, was called out on it, and stomped off in a
 sulk. That's his right, but I'm finding all the self-dramatization about
 it pretty shameful. And it gets worse every round; the important thing,
 oh the always important thing is the hurt feelings of white people.

 If pnh wanted to justify why the PoCs involved were "less intelligent
 that others" he damn well better back it up with intelligent analysis. He
 didn't. Instead it was all about how people were being mean to him.

She banned perhaps a dozen other people, ranging from scrupulously polite to harsh. But Igor? Igor she was perfect happy to have in her journal, posting things like this (and this is only a sampling):

Highlight to see.

  • Subject: shut up.
    cant say nuthin bad bout niggers.
    dont worry, we have a nigger pres, cant shiop u all back to africa like
     we should.

  • hahaha "springboard for discussion?"
     what are you, some jew dyke

  •  y the fuck should anyone listen to you you stupid fat nigger

  •  die feminazi bitch!


Oh, I guess I shouldn't count the last one, since tnh has already said it is a wonderful word, worthy of roses.

The only difference? igorsanchez was spewing this stuff against her "enemies". The people that were in her head a legion of sockpuppets foisted against her by a master troll.

I'm going to say it again: Teresa Nielsen Hayden is fucked in the goddamn head.
I'd forgotten how often we saw Magritte: salvador knows fear.colubra on February 4th, 2009 07:12 am (UTC)
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Lauratavella on February 4th, 2009 07:57 am (UTC)
chopchica has a good rundown of the tnh fail part of it. Avalon's Willow has a timeline of what led up to that fail. One of the unfortunate things is that it's turned from a discussion of cultural appropriation to the Watching tnh Melt Down Show.
PROBE UNIVERSE: reaction: mr. yuck says yuckliviapenn on February 4th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)

This... is confusing. TNH left this comment on Tempest's blog just yesterday, on 01/02/2009:

Kynn, my heartfelt vote of thanks for outing Luke Jackson/Igor Sanchez. You’re a public benefactor. There aren’t as many serious bad guys online as you’d sometimes think, but they do a disproportionate amount of damage, and they get worse with time and practice. Luke Jackson’s on a scary trajectory, and he’s starting to take it into the real world. I hope someone who has standing will talk to the police about him.

So... she *knows*... so why do those comments still exist?
Lauratavella on February 4th, 2009 07:51 am (UTC)
He was mostly posting in the post she eventually locked -- though they were never deleted that I saw. The thing that stunned me, though, was that she never banned him! She was, and still is, deleting and banning people left and right, including incredibly polite ones, and he was spewing that utter foulness and it apparently didn't bother her in the slightest. And it wasn't ignorance, either -- she claimed to be monitoring ips and combing that post for trolls and sockpuppets.

She's really showed her true face to me, or maybe it's what she's turned into as she got older.
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Madeline the Edifyingzdashamber on February 4th, 2009 08:04 am (UTC)
She's probably in a deep well of depression. Walled off the first post and wrote it off; the second post, couldn't get around to figuring out how to preban people without the comment there to delete. Still Fail for not banning Igor in the first post when I presume she deleted his muck.
Lauratavella on February 4th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
"mental breakdown" has come into my scope of potential explanations, yeah.
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[will fuck for sex]: all about anaanatsuno on February 4th, 2009 10:27 am (UTC)
Hello you! Is that a new icon? What's it say? *nosy*

Tavella, sorry - I get comment notifs on some posts in my inbox, so I got a link to your post that way - which, er, yes - We don't know each other but I know Grace *points up* so thought I could hail her from your comments. :)
Re: OT - tavella on February 4th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Lanamuliebris on February 4th, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
I looked her up on wiki and realize I've been criticizing her for years and never even knew she existed.

The older we get, the more the internet remains the same.
Stephanieallthelivesofme on February 4th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC)
Oh. My. God. That's awful. :-(
Katejuliansinger on February 4th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
What confuses me /most/ about this is that she DID (finally) ban the darkkerblogistan LJ. So it's just... inexplicable.
Lauratavella on February 4th, 2009 06:39 pm (UTC)
She finally booted igorsanchez too, but y'know, when it only happens when you are publically shamed into it...
Kazkazaera on February 4th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
...I don't follow her on LJ and have very little idea of what's going on, but man. I used to enjoy reading Making Light.
Lauratavella on February 4th, 2009 05:51 pm (UTC)
Me too. Hell, I've "known" her, in the sense of moving in the same internet spaces with her and exchanging the occasional communication, for at least a decade, maybe as much as two. And I generally liked and admired her -- sure, she could be kind of smug and arrogant, but so could I (oh, so could I.)

It's a really sickening, bitter disappointment.
(no subject) - kazaera on February 4th, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Stella Omegadharma_slut on February 4th, 2009 05:32 pm (UTC)
Well to be fair, it took her nearly a week to get around to my post so she could ban me for being a sock puppet.



Really, Truly.theotherbaldwin on February 4th, 2009 06:43 pm (UTC)
For what it's worth...
I went to you link, saw a deleted comment, and this replay from tnh:

Igor, you are mentally ill. You need to see a doctor. Even if you're satisfied with yourself just the way you are, it's possible that the mechanism of your illness is life-threatening. Please get help.

I'm going to ban you now.
Jonquil Serpyllumjonquil on February 4th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
Re: For what it's worth...
Whoa. Pot. Kettle.
Re: For what it's worth... - kynn on February 5th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: For what it's worth... - icecreamempress on February 5th, 2009 06:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: For what it's worth... - kynn on February 5th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Jonquil Serpyllumjonquil on February 4th, 2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
I am astonished. She's had plenty of time by now.

Elspethelspethdixon on February 4th, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
Oh my holy God. Pretty much every internet discussion forum I've encountered other than 4chan /b/ wouldn't even allow that kind of language to be used in the first place. And I suspect even 4chan would take steps to shut up someone who used n-word that extensively, even if only in the form of other posters shouting.

He should have been deleted after the first comment, and banned after the second (or at the very least banned at the same time that she banned his other sockpuppet identity - banning one of his lj usernames but not the other makes no sense). If she wants to preserve a record of his behavior for posterity, that's what screencaps are for.
Noirla_vie_noire on February 4th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you. Then Shetterly can say "but he was already outed!"
DNA: toastweaselmotleypolitico on February 5th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
Why should I or anyone else care about this person's blog, and whether she can or can't figure out how to wield the banhammer?

Just curious. Seems like a lot of angst that I can't put into appropriate context.